Deanimation Near Cryo Facility -- Practicalities
By Alan Mole ramole@aol.com
At the 2007 Cryonics Conference in Fort Lauderdale a prominent researcher said he had examined fresh rabbit brain that had been perfused with organ preservation solution and held at 0ºC for 24 hours. This is about the best we can hope for if we deanimate far from a cryonics facility. But his examination showed the fine brain structure still looked bad. In such a case we can only hope for nanotechnology to repair the damage. This is not optimal.
(Since I first wrote this I have heard that perfusing the fixative at high pressure may fix this problem, or possibly using a different fixative may do it. If this is so it is very gratifying. I think SA is a fine organization and it is a good idea to cool the patient rapidly and keep oxygen flowing as long as possible. We just want to be sure these efforts are not in vain.) [
To me this shows that should make every effort to deanimate next to CI or Alcor. I have been studying this option and learned encouraging things.
Deanimation Near a Facility
We need to get there. Most people think that's the hard part. So I called U.S. Air Ambulance -- Usairambulance.net, (800) 948-1214 -- where a helpful, intelligent and very knowledgeable gentleman answered all questions.
You may travel by yourself provided you don't look so bad that the airline fears they will have to divert the plane when you get sick. If you look too bad the gate agent may not let you board. A frail old person in a wheelchair is OK. But if you're alone, flight attendants will not help you get to the bathroom, due to liability if you should fall. The airline will move you around the airport in a cart and on and off the plane in a wheelchair. Obviously this is cheapest. You can also bring a family member to assist you. You cannot get oxygen this way. First class is an option -- big seats and nearby lavatory.
Next cheapest is a ground ambulance with attendant. They give the example of a trip from Florida to New York in 20 hours for $6500-$8500. The patient is lying down and may be on oxygen, but if he is on a ventilator the ground ambulance trip is limited to 200 miles. However, as noted later, being on a ventilator probably means the brain is already deteriorating, so one should go before this stage.
For air escort on a commercial jet, the trip is just six hours but the patient cannot need more than 3 liters of oxygen per minute and must be able to sit up and partially support himself. This is required because patients must sit up during takeoffs and landings. The cost is $5500-8500. The company does a lot of this money. They document the patient's condition and clear it with the airline so he is not turned away. They set it up for the airline to provide oxygen. Their nurse can administer an IV. On overseas flights they use first-class tickets for the added room (they may change a diaper in place) and proximity to a lavatory, and so the patient can recline the seat flat and lie down except for takeoff and landing.
A step up from this is a stretcher on a commercial jet in cases where the patient can't sit up. It’s about twice as expensive, but you can have everything except a ventilator.
By a light plane, an air-ambulance Cessna, our Florida – New York trip is four hours and $8000-12,000. Oxygen, ventilator, patient lying down, comatose -- all OK.
Or it's two to three hours by jet air ambulance, $13,000-17,000. This all this seems feasible and not too expensive. After all, it's $5000 if you expire at home and the mortuary ships you, and $60,000 for SA.
I got more good news. This company brings people from Europe all the time. Usually within 24 hours they can get a special visa provided to you are going to die with family members (even extended families) or are coming for medical care. The spokesman thought it would be the same if you were going to a hospice. From Europe, air ambulance is expensive, $50,000 - $60,000. Commercial flights, especially unescorted, seem preferable. Ground ambulance is not available.J The spokesman also mentioned that you couldn't fly commercially with a communicable disease, like incurable TB. Of course.
Costs from Europe:
Air ambulance, London-Detroit, $50-60,000
Stretcher on commercial airliner, same, $30,000
Nurse escort, first-class, oxygen etc., $15,000
Nurse escort from Australia, $25,000
A friend died of a brain tumor. When the hospital could do no more they suggested he go home to die, which he did, and he expired about twelve hours later. Time enough to fly to a facility. I've seen some other gradual deaths due to cancer and heart failure, and in most cases it would have been easy to get to a facility, even unescorted up to a few days before the end.
There are also hospices near both CI and Alcor, and I'm sure that both would arrange transport from the airport. Deanimation may be fairly predictable, and may legally be hastened by the patient deciding that the oxygen should be turned off. I think his medical representative, pursuant to his living well, can do the same.
Thus we have a good chance of flying to a facility cheaply, and staying for a day or a week or two at a hospice or a private apartment with a hospice nurse, and upon deanimation receiving immediate pronouncement and swift cooling, perfusion and vitrification.
If one flies alone or with a family member from Europe, I asked if U.S. Air Ambulance would for a fee help with those fast visas. The answer was yes, and not only with that but with ticketing etc. "Talk to us. " All in all the company was helpful, flexible and reasonable, but I must point out that a Google search brings up many such companies so this may not be the best. And no, I don't own stock in it. That said, I like these people.
From the US Air Ambulance page:
It is always our goal at U.S. Air Ambulance to provide the highest quality service at the lowest possible cost. Price is determined based primarily upon the medical condition of the patient, because this will determine the type of aircraft or ground transportation that will be utilized, the medical supplies to be included, the medical team to be transported, the destination and the urgency of travel.
Our Flight Coordinators will talk to you about some of these issues and provide a quote over the phone. In non-emergency situations, we will also gladly send you a written quote explaining all services provided. The price quoted to you is the final price – there are no hidden costs.
Listed below are a few of the variables considered when we determine a price for your specific trip. Prices are effective January 2007. This is not a definitive listing, but can give you an idea of the cost of our air and ground ambulance services.
Aircraft: $3 - $12 per mile, depending on the type of aircraft used
Standard Medical Equipment and Supplies: $450 per flight (Isolettes and balloon pumps are extra)
Maintenance: $600 per take-off
Ground Ambulance: $500 plus $14 per mile
Wheelchair Vans: $180 plus $3 per mile
Overnight Charges: $300 per crew member per night (some Asian locations are higher)
Preparation Costs: $800 (Includes medical evaluation, telephone and aircraft preparation)
European Air Traffic Control: $2,500
International Fees/Permits: $800 - $3,800 (You will be billed our actual charges for this)
Medical Team
Level I: $800 (Critical Care Nurse or Paramedic)
Level II: $1,600 (Critical Care Nurse and Paramedic)
Level III: $2,200 (Respiratory Therapist plus Critical Care Nurse or Paramedic)
Level IV: $4,100 (Doctor plus Critical Care Nurse and Paramedic)
Here are approximate times and costs from Florida to New York depending on the type of transport requested:
Train Escort or Ground Ambulance(patient is lying down)
Air Escort (patient is sitting)
Cessna
King Air
Learjet or Gulfstream
Going across the country, from California to Virginia for example, the time and costs would look something like this:
Train Escort (patient is lying down)
Air Escort (patient is sitting)
Cessna 10 Hours $13,000 - $17,000
King Air
Learjet or Gulfstream
Please call us today at 1-800-948-1214 or send an email to info@usairambulance.net to receive a quote based on your specific needs. Our Flight Coordinators and Case Managers are available to help you 24 hours a day, 52 weeks a year.
Deanimation in Michigan
Ideally, then, we get to Michigan, go to a hospice or apartment, and decline until only life-support keeps us alive. Then a doctor is summoned to sign the death certificate and CI personnel to effect immediate rescue measures. Then, per our previous instructions, life support is turned off and we deanimate. The doctor signs the death certificate, the medical examiner is notified and releases the body, and it is cooled and transported to the CI mortuary in minutes so perfusion can begin. But how close can we come to the ideal?
To answer this I spoke with the compliance officer at Hospice of Michigan (Marylyn Brady (313)578-6222), and she gave me good information. First, ventilators are out. They are usually used only because the brain stem is dead and has stopped controlling breathing, so we wouldn’t want to use them to prolong life until a convenient time to turn them off – the brain would be deteriorating further. Besides which, hospices are about natural death so they would not use a ventilator, and ventilators are used only in hospitals. (I did not ask whether they would be against the use of oxygen, or against turning it off to induce deanimation. Oxygen termination alone may or may not induce prompt death.)
A nurse may pronounce death but only a doctor can sign the death certificate. (Thus we definitely need to line up a doctor.)
In rural Michigan counties, a body is released to the mortuary after an expected death and signing of the death certificate, following a simple phone call to the county medical examiner. By contrast, in urban counties around Detroit the political memory of Jack Kervorkian is so strong that there is much more formality and commotion. When the authorities are informed of a death, an ambulance may be called and efforts made to revive the patient. The medical examiner may have to show up in person and study the circumstances, and only when he is satisfied is the body released. (This could take hours or days, so one does not want to deanimate in those counties. We should try to find a sensible county with a hospice or an apartment near a mortuary where we could do perfusions, and set that up. Or a good county with a hospice or apartment near an Interstate Highway leading to our mortuary in Clinton Township. Perhaps a patient could deanimate, be pronounced and released, and be driven to Clinton in under an hour. )
I think we need to do some homework here, and do it now before the final exam. We should find a suitable county. We should discuss our needs with a hospice there. If the hospice is unwilling to help we should find a nurse. We should find suitable apartments.
We should find out if they always have a doctor available in or near the hospice. If so, good. If not we should inquire about retired doctors who might be willing to stand by.
Altogether, it seems easier than we thought it get to CI if one is dying, even from a distant land. But we need research to make sure we don't expire right across the street and then lie in a morgue for a week before some haughty medical examiner returns from vacation and releases us.
The following questions remain open, and research by someone in Michigan would be helpful:
1 .What are good counties, with sensible medical examiners who would release a body after a simple phone call? Which are well situated?
2. In those counties, which retired doctors would stand by to sign death certificates? (I think many doctors retire when they can no longer keep up with the latest techniques and advances, or a hectic schedule. But they retain their licenses and rights, and they don’t need the latest laproscopic surgical techniques to be able to recognize death. Nor is there anything hectic to sitting in an apartment living room reading the paper, and then getting up, going to the patient in the bedroom, checking for a pulse, and signing a certificate.)
3 .Are there suitable apartments there? (We’d want a list.) Is the local hospice amenable to our plans? Is there a nurse willing to help the patient in an apartment?
4 Are there life support techniques which may legally be terminated in accordance with the patient’s wishes, which will keep him alive while applied and bring about his prompt death when stopped? Oxygen is an obvious candidate, but heart drugs, other drugs, IV nutrition, implanted heart stimulators etc. should all be considered. (Michigan residency not important for this one.)
If anyone is willing to check some of this, please contact me so I can coordinate it and we do not end up with two people doing the same things.